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International Netsuke Society - Bringing netsuke to the digital generation... 2018-01-30T08:51:56 http://79.170.40.239/netsuke.org/forums/feed.php?f=494803&t=8079509 2018-01-30T08:51:56 2018-01-30T08:42:12 http://79.170.40.239/netsuke.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8079509&p=75067#p75067 This rumour was also apparently rife in China, the Phillipines and parts of South America."

Does this not tie in with some of the discussion regarding the barbarian figures portrayed in silk seals?

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This one an interesting example from using your search;

Note again, the hole running across.

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https://www.picoku.com/tag/%E7%B3%B8%E5%8D%B0

https://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&b ... 6950689895

* http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~mystudy/kik ... itetop.htm

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A dealer from Kyoto, a buyer and seller of these metal silk seals, both human and animal, told me that skeins of silk of a regulation number of folds, were pulled through the hole, to judge thickness, (smoothness, what?). I thought he said thickness, or body. He would not allow me to take a photograph of his examples.
***He did not say what the name of the hole was, but these are holes in 'Ito-in', or literally 'silk thread holes', so I put the words Ito and toshi together to make the word Ito-toshi or Ito-toshi-ana, or Ito toshi no ana. This word came out of my head and may never have existed, or it may have existed and been lost. I worked backwards from himotoshi (no ana) etymologically. Even today there is a strong correspondence between Ito and Himo. For example, the silk cord which is sent to the binders of sword handles is called Himo by the makers of the cord, Himo-kumi being cord weaving. The Tsukamaki sword handle binders however, refer to the same string as Ito. My theory is that Himo is fat string, Ito is slimmer thread, ie in the Tsukamaki-Shi's hands, himo under tension.
I like this information from you "The hole in this Chinese example was used to secure the seal to the silk bale." I can imagine some of the end of the silk pulled through and waxed somehow into place, making any intermediate tampering obvious. Ito toshi ana would still work!!!

If that hole was not good for a Netsuke Himotoshi, then can we not assume that sometimes a new one was added. My assumption is that the (smaller) hole/holes that do not look like the original silk holes, but somewhat obey fledgling Himotoshi rules for Netsuke, must be the later holes.
As to the bottom of my pewed Catholic monkey priest sacrament silk seal, it is just... well-rubbed flat.
Hoping this has addressed most of your hugely observant questions, Alan and Martyn.

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